Staying on the Ship: Biblical Analysis: The SDA Church True Church Until Jesus Comes
Staying on the ship
Continuing from the last post…SDA members have added the Impressive Dream to their arsenal regarding the denominational name, and their belief that the denomination represents the true church at Christ’s second coming. An account of the dream is below:
Chapter 69—An Impressive Dream
“Dear Brother M,
I had an impressive dream last night. I thought that you were on a strong vessel, sailing on very rough waters. Sometimes the waves beat over the top, and you were drenched with water. You said: “I shall get off; this vessel is going down.” “No,” said one who appeared to be the captain, “this vessel sails into the harbor. She will never go down.” But you answered: “I shall be washed overboard. As I am neither captain or mate, who cares? I shall take [572] my chances on that vessel you see yonder.” Said the captain: “I shall not let you go there, for I know that vessel will strike the rocks before she reaches the harbor.” You straightened yourself up, and said with great positiveness: “This vessel will become a wreck; I can see it just as plain as can be.” The captain looked upon you with piercing eye, and said firmly: “I shall not permit you to lose your life by taking that boat. The timbers of her framework are worm-eaten, and she is a deceptive craft. If you had more knowledge you could discern between the spurious and the genuine, the holy and that appointed to utter ruin.”
I awoke, but it is this dream that leads me to write to you. I was feeling deeply over some of these things when a letter came, saying that you were “under great temptation and trial.” What is it, Brother M? Is Satan tempting you again? Is God permitting you to be brought to the same place where you have failed before? Will you now let unbelief take possession of your soul? Will you fail every time, as did the children of Israel? God help you to resist the devil and to come forth stronger from every trial of your faith!
Be careful how you move. Make straight paths for your feet. Close the door to unbelief and make God your strength. If perplexed, hold still; make no move in the dark. I am deeply concerned for your soul. This may be the last trial that God will grant you. Advance not one step in the downward road to perdition. Wait, and God will help you. Be patient, and the clear light will appear. If you yield to impressions you will lose your soul, and the soul is of great value with God.
I have been writing upon the first volume of Great Controversy, and it makes me feel very solemn as I review these important subjects— creation and the events from the fall of Satan to the fall of Adam. The Lord seems very near me as I write, and I am deeply moved as I contemplate this controversy from the beginning to the [573] present time. The workings of the powers of darkness are laid clearly before my mind. Most trying times are before us; and Satan, clad in angel robes, will come to souls with his temptations as he came to Christ in the wilderness. He will quote Scripture; and unless our life is hid with Christ in God, he will surely bind our souls in unbelief.
Time is very short, and all that is to be done must be done quickly. The angels are holding the four winds, and Satan is taking advantage of everyone who is not fully established in the truth. Every soul is to be tested. Every defect in the character, unless it is overcome by the help of God’s Spirit, will become a sure means of destruction. I feel as never before the necessity for our people to be energized by the spirit of the truth, for Satan’s devices will ensnare every soul who has not made God his strength. The Lord has much work to be done; and if we do what He has appointed for us to do, He will work with our efforts. 5T572-3″ {End of quote}
There are many devout SDA members who believe that the ship in the symbolically represents the SDA church, and that the church may stumble but does not fall. From this they conclude further that to leave the church because of its “flaws” would be a mistake, a grave one, for only those that remain on the SDA ship can be saved. They label those who leave the church and start another church/ministry as cursed off shoots.
What does the Bible say? Below is a response I wrote to someone concerning this subject.
I have read https://adventmessenger.org/conrad-vines-martin-luther-moment-and-the-real-reason-why-pastor-ron-kelly-was-fired/ concerning the recent events that have transpired between The Michigan Conference/The General Conference, and yourself and Ron Kelly. I have read or listened to two or three other similar articles/youtube videos. It is with great sadness that I read/listen to these articles. The major reason for this sadness is that the people speaking or writing concerning this matter, do not and cannot show what they believe from the scriptures.
I would like to share a few thoughts from the Bible concerning the situation which I think are highly relevant, and will be a great benefit to you, Before I proceed, I want to remind you, that I am not a member of the Seventh Day Adventist Church. My sole interest in these events/affairs is you as a person, whom I have meant and corresponded with several times, especially the time we spent at the Daniel 11 Committee meeting.
Psalm 11:3 KJV — If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do?
The main issue, point at issue is the SDA Church God’s true church today? Historically, the Bible accounts of many “persons/people(s)/churches claiming to be God’s chosen people, God’s true people/servants/churches, and are/were not. The Jewish Nation is such a case and point. How many times did they claim to be God’s people and were not? The Catholic Church? Providing other examples and evidence would be a waste of time, because you know this.
To get to the point as quickly as possible. What is the church? How can one identify God’s true people?
Revelation 12:17 KJV — And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
1 Kings 3:14 KJV — And if thou wilt walk in my ways, to keep my statutes and my commandments, as thy father David did walk, then I will lengthen thy days.
2 Samuel 8:15 KJV — And David reigned over all Israel; and David executed judgment and justice unto all his people.
The point is that obedience has been (conditional) and always will be the criteria for the members of God’s church, none other.
2 Chronicles 7:17-22 KJV — And as for thee, if thou wilt walk before me, as David thy father walked, and do according to all that I have commanded thee, and shalt observe my statutes and my judgments; Then will I stablish the throne of thy kingdom, according as I have covenanted with David thy father, saying, There shall not fail thee a man to be ruler in Israel. But if ye turn away, and forsake my statutes and my commandments, which I have set before you, and shall go and serve other gods, and worship them; Then will I pluck them up by the roots out of my land which I have given them; and this house, which I have sanctified for my name, will I cast out of my sight, and will make it to be a proverb and a byword among all nations. And this house, which is high, shall be an astonishment to every one that passeth by it; so that he shall say, Why hath the LORD done thus unto this land, and unto this house? And it shall be answered, Because they forsook the LORD God of their fathers, which brought them forth out of the land of Egypt, and laid hold on other gods, and worshipped them, and served them: therefore hath he brought all this evil upon them.
Revelation 2:4-5 KJV — Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
Jeremiah 15:1 KJV — Then said the LORD unto me, Though Moses and Samuel stood before me, yet my mind could not be toward this people: cast them out of my sight, and let them go forth.
Hosea 1:2-11 KJV — The beginning of the word of the LORD by Hosea. And the LORD said to Hosea, Go, take unto thee a wife of whoredoms and children of whoredoms: for the land hath committed great whoredom, departing from the LORD. So he went and took Gomer the daughter of Diblaim; which conceived, and bare him a son. And the LORD said unto him, Call his name Jezreel; for yet a little while, and I will avenge the blood of Jezreel upon the house of Jehu, and will cause to cease the kingdom of the house of Israel…And she conceived again, and bare a daughter. And God said unto him, Call her name Loruhamah: for I will no more have mercy upon the house of Israel; but I will utterly take them away…Now when she had weaned Loruhamah, she conceived, and bare a son. Then said God, Call his name Loammi: for ye are not my people, and I will not be your God.
Jeremiah 5:7-9 KJV — How shall I pardon thee for this? thy children have forsaken me, and sworn by them that are no gods: when I had fed them to the full, they then committed adultery, and assembled themselves by troops in the harlots’ houses. They were as fed horses in the morning: every one neighed after his neighbour’s wife. Shall I not visit for these things? saith the LORD: and shall not my soul be avenged on such a nation as this?
Jeremiah 7:3-16 KJV — Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel, Amend your ways and your doings, and I will cause you to dwell in this place. Trust ye not in lying words, saying, The temple of the LORD, The temple of the LORD, The temple of the LORD, are these. For if ye throughly amend your ways and your doings; if ye throughly execute judgment between a man and his neighbour; If ye oppress not the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, and shed not innocent blood in this place, neither walk after other gods to your hurt: Then will I cause you to dwell in this place, in the land that I gave to your fathers, for ever and ever. Behold, ye trust in lying words, that cannot profit. Will ye steal, murder, and commit adultery, and swear falsely, and burn incense unto Baal, and walk after other gods whom ye know not; And come and stand before me in this house, which is called by my name, and say, We are delivered to do all these abominations? Is this house, which is called by my name, become a den of robbers in your eyes? Behold, even I have seen it, saith the LORD. But go ye now unto my place which was in Shiloh, where I set my name at the first, and see what I did to it for the wickedness of my people Israel. And now, because ye have done all these works, saith the LORD, and I spake unto you, rising up early and speaking, but ye heard not; and I called you, but ye answered not; Therefore will I do unto this house, which is called by my name, wherein ye trust, and unto the place which I gave to you and to your fathers, as I have done to Shiloh. And I will cast you out of my sight, as I have cast out all your brethren, even the whole seed of Ephraim. Therefore pray not thou for this people, neither lift up cry nor prayer for them, neither make intercession to me: for I will not hear thee.
Hebrews 3:12-19, One could go on.
Continuing: There are many references in The Old Testament concerning some reality at that point in time will be forever, such as,
2 Chronicles 8:8 KJV — But of their children, who were left after them in the land, whom the children of Israel consumed not, them did Solomon make to pay tribute until this day.
Then, later the Old Testament testifies that such and such a king rebelled, and refused to pay tribute. Consider Mal. 2:5-8. Is the Bible wrong, in error? Obviously, you know the answer: the phrases “until this day” or “for ever”, would have been in the strictest sense forever, but were conditional on obedience.
Continuing. Biblically, Revelation 14:6-12, Rev. 10, saw their historical fulfilments in the Millerite movement, and the establishment of the SDA. My opinion, the SDA church during its beginning was God’s true church. You might be thinking, “you have proved my point…we know that in any “church body,” there is a mixed multitude, wheat and tares (Matt. 13)…God is merciful…gives a “church” time to repent. Does the Bible account of any church continuing which has committed such apostasy, which has been committed by the SDA Church?
Let’s us briefly review the SDA Church record, which for argument’s sake we will start with; The rejection of the 1888 message, rejection of the organizational restructuring of 1901, rejecting the rebuke for incorporating worldly practices into the publishing and sanitariums…the building of larger edifices which led to the burning of the printing office and sanitarium at Battle Creek, during WWII, SDA Church’s granting US government permission to perform “medical research” on Negros…1957, Donald Grey Barnhouse, editor of the journal “Eternity,” and Walter R. Martin, evangelical theologian, wanted to write a book about Seventh-day Adventists proclaiming that they were a non-Christian “sect.”…What was the response?…The SDA behind the scenes participation at Vatican II…fast forwarding to today…Ordained Homosexual Priests…Woman elders…coffee bars…marijuana bars…changed logo…rejection of the sanctuary message…the “reelection” of Ted Wilson at the last General Conference Meeting…whose member’s lives cannot be differentiated from the world
Does the Bible account of any church continuing for a period of time and under which such apostasy has committed, which has been committed by the SDA Church? Read Hosea Chapter 1, or the whole book for that matter.
Further, we are living in the Day of Atonement, which Jesus’ work is to make an end of sin. Therefore, is not the standard in our time higher than any other time in earth’s history? How can Jesus cleanse the heavenly sanctuary from sin, when such sin exists, is being committed by His professed people? Even more unexplainable, even more evidence, is your testimony of how the SDA church treated you before this. I have many more like comments to make. But I will stop there. I hope we can continue this conversation in the future. If you have any comments or questions, please let me know.